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Post by MetalBlade on Apr 4, 2010 12:38:37 GMT -1
In what has to be the biggest injustice of the year so far, Chris Jericho has lost his World Heavyweight Championship title on Smackdown this week, after Jack Swagger took advantage of the freshly-speared champion, and cashed in the Money In The Bank contract he surprisingly won at WrestleMania.
I'm not against him doing this, as Edge became synonymous with this tactic and I marked like hell for Edge. But Jack Swagger...?
It's shocking enough that he won the MITB to begin with, but to take the title from such a grand champion as Jericho, in such a weak manner, now demeans what was a solid title match at Mania, and puts a spanner in The works of could have been a splendid feud between the two.
Having said all that, and as disgruntled as I am with the choice of champion, at least it shows WWE are following on from what they did with Sheamus, by populating the title picture with fresh faces instead of the same old stale old matches week after week after fucking week.
Here's me hoping that there is gold on the horizon for one of my favourites of the new generation, Dr. Zigglesworth himself, Dolph Ziggler, who choked out The Great Khali with credibility on Smackdown this week. So much so that Khali has announced he will take a sabbatical and return to India for some "soul-searching", before returning and becoming champion once again.
So a couple of big surprises on Smackdown, and also CM Punk ripping on the Las Vegas crowd, and cutting a magnificent promo on Rey, where he states he is prepared to sacrifice his hair so that he may have one more chance to save Mysterio.
A truly priceless asset, is Punk.
Smackdown is once again becoming the brand to watch, above Raw.
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Post by Knoxville on Apr 4, 2010 14:26:07 GMT -1
Yeah, I'm not too happy about Swagger winning the title. The MITB has now become an "easy" way to become champion. Only RVD has cashed it in on a proper match and that was against Cena, 4 years ago. Not only that but how dull was Swagger on the microphone? and wtf was him having that folder all about? Could he not remember all of those lines?
It's a pretty weak way to make a champion and I hope Swagger is not going to main event for too long. Sure he has the potential, but not yet. There were more deserving people in the Money in the Bank who should of won. Most of all Christian or Kofi.
I've always thought Smackdown was the better brand. It's been more focused on wrestling than Raw, so I feel as if I havent wasted two hours of my time. (Well and hour and a half after commercials.) Punk is probably the highlight of the whole brand and I hope WWE know what they have in him. He deserves to be a fully fledged main eventer after his fued with Mysterio has finished. And I've even thought of a way he could face Taker at WM next year. He could offer to save him from the darkness. I wouldnt mind seeing Punk end the streak.
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Post by OlympicHero on Apr 5, 2010 11:09:11 GMT -1
Smackdown is definitely the better wrestling show. One thing it doesn't have is the idiotic Guest Host concept weighing it down, which allows the talent more time to go out and give a performance worth remembering.
Plus, Smackdown has the better wrestlers by far. Edge, Jericho, Punk, Mysterio...just to name a few. But it certainly is an injustice that Swagger is World Champion. How can he go from a stupid lisp having gimmick to being a creditable World Champion? It doesn't make any sense!
Surely, it would have been better to have had Christian win MITB and cash it in the RVD way.....by having an actual match! A three way feud between Christian, Jericho and Edge would've been awesome and something I believe fans would want to see much more than a nowhere near ready Swagger as Champion defending it against two of Smackdown's lynchpins.
On the subject of Punk, I think Knox has a great idea for next year's Mania. By then, he'll surely be a bona fide headliner and would be a perfect candidate to not only challenge Taker, but to the end the Streak aswell. Sadly, I don't believe that'll happen. I do believe Punk will be in the World Title picture by then, but he won't be facing Taker. That dubious honour will go to John Cena I reckon. Taker vs Cena is a match that hasn't been seen since Cena first became WWE Champion and, despite Cena's failings in the ring, it has the potential to draw huge money for WWE.
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Post by MetalBlade on Apr 5, 2010 11:47:31 GMT -1
Yeah, and to be honest, fans will actually believe Cena will end the streak. Even if he doesn't.
I don't like Cena much. But can't really think of anyone better to end the streak, if indeed the streak is to end.
I'd far prefer Taker to retire with the streak intact, then every new wrestler could have something to aspire to.
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Post by OlympicHero on Apr 5, 2010 13:24:18 GMT -1
I can't see anyone ending the Streak, after HBK's efforts at the last 2 Mania's. Cena has a good a chance as any, and would probably be the office's favourite to end it......but I think Taker will retire with the Streak intact.
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Post by Knoxville on Apr 5, 2010 18:10:04 GMT -1
I dont think Cena should ever face Taker at WM. It'd be stupid for Cena to go over Taker as I think that if anyone is at some point end the streak it should be someone who needs the rub. Cena is already the face of the WWE, there's no need for him to take away the streak.
Like you guys, i think Taker should retire with the streak intact. Possibly in a reversal match where if he can keep the streak alive, lets say when its going to be 20 - 0 he should retire.
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Post by Woo on Apr 5, 2010 21:48:36 GMT -1
A few quick points;
- To be fair to Jack Swagger his "lysping gimmick" isn't a gimmick at all...
- John Cena's failings in the ring? People still don't rate that guy? Cena is one of the most cosistantly great wrestlers in the WWE.
- John Cena vs. Undertaker would make a fantastic Wrestlemania match. Don't worry, he wouldn't end the streak, nobody will.
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Post by OlympicHero on Apr 5, 2010 22:27:42 GMT -1
Swagger's lysp may not be a gimmick....but when WWE uses it as one to try and create a cheap laugh, it makes him look all the less creditable as World Champion in my eyes.
Cena is not a consistently great wrestler......far from it. The reason he has acceptable to exceptional matches is because of the guys he's in there with. He can't go wrong when's he in the ring with the likes of Triple H, Edge, Orton or HBK.......but when it comes to him having to call the shots with a less experienced opponent, the match usually sucks (see Sheamus feud). Prime example is Cena's continued inability to ever apply the STF with any realism. it ALWAYS looks so loose! I'll give Cena credit for being the hardest working star on the roster in every other aspect (PR and Public appearances, company promotion etc...), but he's got a long way to go before I'll consider him a consistently great wrestler.
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Post by Woo on Apr 8, 2010 22:25:47 GMT -1
So the STF doesn't look painful, but Kurt Angel's version on the anklelock isn't as good looking as Shamrock's either and don't get me started on The Rock's sharpshooter. I am not looking for techical brilliance from Cena I am looking for great storytelling and sports entertainment and the man delivers.
As for Cena only having good matches against good wrestlers, well I think that arguement was disproved years ago. Cena had grea matches with JBL and is thus far the only person to ever get anything good out of Khali. Oh and imo he damn near stole Wrestlemania wrestling Batista.
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Post by OlympicHero on Apr 9, 2010 15:17:49 GMT -1
Sorry Woo, but I think we're definitely gonna have a difference of opinions here!
The only passable Cena vs JBL match that I recall was the "I Quit" Match.....and that was only because they were able to use every shortcut under the sun to get the match over. As for his matches with Khali? I don't remember watching anything that resembled good.....but I can't blame Cena for that.
I will agree with you on the Mania match. Cena and Batista was awesome and, had it not been for Taker/HBK II, it would've walked away with match of the night honours.
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Post by MetalBlade on Apr 9, 2010 16:34:30 GMT -1
Lol, I love a good fight!
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Post by Woo on Apr 10, 2010 7:02:14 GMT -1
Well you agree on Batty/Cena being good at least! Yes his match with Khali was hardly **** but it's better than any match Khalu had had with anybody else. Perhaps the JBL match was only good because of the stips, but still JBL needed carrying.
I would also say that Cena has being carrying Orton for great matches all of last year. Nothing against Orton, I think he too is a good wrestler, but he is such a boring wrestler (on purpose) that he needs someone to make things interesting and I think Cena did just that. I also think Cena's matches with Big Show are usually alright too.
It's true that Cena has good matches against good wrestlers, but he is at the top of the card and therefore only faces the top wrestlers anyway. At this stage I would rate Cena higher than HHH anyway, he doesn't seem capable of carrying anybody.
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Post by MetalBlade on Apr 10, 2010 12:06:32 GMT -1
Come on, OH!
He just said Cena needed to carry the "boring" Randy Orton.
You're not gonna let him get away with that are you?
Ding, ding! Round two!
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Post by Woo on Apr 10, 2010 12:18:09 GMT -1
Randy is boring and he would be the first to admit it. He once said that after reading about how the IWC hate his rest-hold chin locks he now does more on purpose to anger them.
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Post by EZD on Apr 10, 2010 16:30:17 GMT -1
I'll throw my two cents in here. I've not been following as closely as I once was, so my opinion is going to be based on the bits and pieces that I actually have seen.
The only thing worse than Cena's wrestling "talent"is his "abilities" on the microphone. He's incredibly dull in everything he does. When he speaks, he bores me. When he wrestles, he bores me. There is absolutely nothing interesting about the man or the character he's putting forward.
As far as his style in the ring, I agree with OH. He doesn't try to be realistic at all. Every time I've seen him wrestle, he's botched a move horribly and had to find a way to (very awkwardly) play it off. Maybe I'm catching him on bad nights, but that's how I see him.
That being said, I loved The Rock. I see Cena as a replacement for The Rock. And in some ways he's also a replacement for Stone Cold. However, he just does not have the charisma that either of them had. When he speaks, he does not command my attention. When I saw The Rock, I'd drop what I was doing to hear what he had to say. Cena, not so much.
Honestly, I don't even see much potential for improvement, either. It seems like WWE found a big guy on the street and said, "Hey, let's make him a wrestler." (The Big Show, anyone?)
I really could not care any less about John Cena. If he dropped dead, it would not affect me at all. I probably wouldn't spend the better part of two minutes thinking about him.
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